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  1. Being a little premature, aren't we? I have my doubts about Las Vegas as a hockey market, but counting on them as a relocation candidate before they've dropped their first puck is a bit of a stretch. As others have stated above, Connecticut has serious problems that need to be addressed before trying to get an NHL team to come here. Get some fiscal sanity in place of the craziness that has ruled the roost in Hartford for decades, then wait for the economy to hope**lly recover, and then we can talk about arena renovations/replacement and an NHL team.
  2. There's no way you'll get money from out of state for renovations to the XL Center. But if you can book events that people want to attend, they will come from Western M***** and elsewhere to pay money for those events. Certainly that would include the NHL, but the building must compete for concerts, other sporting events, and whatever else can utilize a large arena. The question is how important the NHL would be to the building and whether the renovations to the XL Center would be worth doing without the return of the NHL.
  3. No need to cop an attitude. All this proves is that the governor said he wishes we still had the Whalers and some mysterious anonymous groups are interested in bringing a team back to Hartford. That is just a politician talking, it's official BS, not proof of anything. I hope you're right, but over the last 20 years, we've earned the right to be skeptical. If a team comes back to Hartford, I'll be there, but I'm not going to get excited about anything until I'm in my seat at the game.
  4. The league wouldn't want any team to be sold for less than $500m, and PK would need to get close to that just to break even with what he has spent on the team.
  5. Yes, he bought the team for $47m, sold it for $500m. Does that mean he made $453m? Not really. He's owned the team for 23 years. If he's been averaging $15m of losses, that comes to $345m in losses. Then take away the relocation fee that he paid to move the Whalers, the modifications to the arena in Raleigh for hockey, new practice facility, offices, there's not much left to show as profit. He would have been much better off putting the money into an index **nd and leaving the Whalers alone. But if he can recoup his losses after 23 years of owning one of the worst performing, worst run teams in the league, he needs to take the money and run. And he needs to thank Las Vegas for getting people to think that NHL teams are worth $500m.
  6. While it may sound logical, the problem is that the Coyotes want, (and need), all the revenue from the arena and then some to stay afloat. The Suns aren't going to agree to that, why would they?
  7. Coyotes fans seem to think that the team will stay at GRA in Arizona until Seattle is ready, however long that takes.
  8. Whalevolution wrote: > No I totally agree but Bridgeport owning the the arena was not related to P4277 > scenario were public money would be used to build a brand new arena in NH. > > That I would not support, they had an arena they blew it. So you don't support public money being spent on venues in other parts of the state, but you do support taxpayers in other parts of the state paying to renovate the XL Center even if no NHL team comes back? Sounds a bit hypocritical, doesn't it? They blew it? What would you have done in New Haven? Try to save the Coliseum? If so, how would you have done that?
  9. Whalevolution wrote: > They chose not to rebuild, they maintain "goof" ownership. Having three arenas close together in a small state like Connecticut made no sense, and New Haven wisely did not build a replacement for the Coliseum. The city could not have afforded a new arena on it's own, would you have supported state **nding of a new arena in New Haven? > > They feel their missing out on Hartford? Hmm maybe they shouldn't have torn > down (and not rebuilt) the NH Coliseum. > > Apart of me is glad it has come back to haunt them. Nice attitude, what have you got against New Haven? Do you blame NH for the loss of the Whalers? It's not haunting anyone, the city has been here since 1638, it will survive not having a hockey arena.
  10. Whalevolution wrote: > And as for New Haven you blew your load on sports "projects" when > you turned your only venue into a lifeless ugly parking lot. If they are > coming forward now it's proof of their goof in tearing down the NH Coliseum As I've pointed out before, the New Haven Coliseum was structurally unsound, due to having been built on reclaimed land. So the goof wasn't in tearing it down, but in building it where it was located in the first place. By the time it was demolished, there was no way to save it. That mistake was made back in the design phase in the late 1960's. Replacing it made no sense, since there were venues in Hartford and Bridgeport. Having said that, it's understandable that representatives of Fairfield and New Haven counties don't want all new public expenditures going to Hartford while they get nothing to show their constituents. And we are hearing that the legislature is once again considering putting tolls back on the CT Turnpike, which would affect people on the shoreline far more than those inland. I'm not sure what improvements they are looking at for Webster Bank Arena, but it's not realistic to think it could be expanded to attract an NHL team. That could only happen at the XL Center or a new arena.
  11. Virginia Beach will be building a new arena, and looking for an NHL team to be a major tenant. Unfortunately that means more competition for Hartford trying to get a team in the East. http://hfboards.hockeys**ture.com/showthread.php?t=2226681
  12. It depends on a combination of factors: Who would be buying the team? I can't imagine that PK will move the team...he's trying to sell it, and moving is expensive. So if he sells to Quebecor, then the team goes to QC. If he sells to interests in Seattle, they go there. If someone interested in Hartford buys it, they could come back here. Obviously, Seattle and Hartford have to get their arena issues resolved. Same for Portland, Hamilton, or anywhere else. The sale of the team will determine where it ends up. When would the team be sold? Mainly asking if it would be before or after the Coyotes situation is fixed? Most believe the Coyotes will move either this year or next. Where they end up will take away an option from the Hurricanes. The NHL still wants Seattle and will likely prop up the Coyotes in Arizona for one more year in hopes that Seattle will get their arena act together. There are a lot of possibilities but Quebec looks like the best bet right now. They have the arena and ownership ready to go. If the team isn't sold for a few years, then Hartford and Seattle would have time to get those pieces in place.
  13. Getting the NCAA Tourney is a good thing, but not a game-changer. The amount of money bet on brackets doesn't go to the cities that host the games. Will hosting the tournament bring some money to Hartford? Of course it will, and that's a good thing. But it doesn't have much relevance to what's going on in Hartford in regards to the XL Center or the possibility of the NHL returning. Hartford was selected without the XL renovations being done or even finalized. If the plans go forward, they will have to plan the construction work around the tournament. If the plans don't go forward right away, it means that the XL will be around for at least two years despite what some people say about the building closing it's doors. A lot can happen in two years...
  14. MarkH2919 wrote: > I'll be very succinct...I don't think the NHL has any interest at all in > putting a team in Quebec City unless it absolutely, positively has no other > option. And right now, there are definitely other options that are better. I agree that QC would not be at the top of the NHL's wish list. Neither was Winnipeg. But as you say, if they have no other options, they'll go there. But I disagree that right now there are better options. The key phrase is "right now". Quebec is ready "right now". They have a suitable arena, a deep pocketed ownership group, and no one disputes their fan base. There is no better vacant market that could take an NHL team right now. But the NHL is likely going to take the losses in Arizona for at least one more year in the hopes that Seattle will come to a decision on an arena. So "right now" isn't all that important. The Islanders will be at Barclays for at least one more year as well. Carolina is waiting for new ownership, I can't imagine Karmanos moving the team again. So until the team is sold, I doubt they will move. That gives Hartford and any other possible markets some time to get their act together.
  15. MarkH2919 wrote: > "If they moved to the East, it would probably be to Quebec." > > Uh, you're forgetting that Quebecor wants to buy a team. Which means the > Coyotes ownership would have to want to sell. No, not forgetting that. Without a new arena in Arizona, it's very possible that they'd want to sell rather than pay a very high relocation fee. And just because Quebecor wants to buy a team, that might not happen. You can't always get what you want, right? Quebecor wouldn't stand in the way of a relocation to QC just because they don't own the team. It would be a PR disaster.