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Finally went to the new XL....not really impressed

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So i finally checked out the updated XL center for the first time this week and i honestly was a little disappointed with it. I did like the mid level seating and scoreboard but honestly many problems still exist.

 

1. Bathrooms: The bathrooms are still tight and fresh paint aside it is not much better. Likewise the sink and paper towel dispensers are awkwardly set up. The sinks actually are in the same tight corner

 

2. Concourse: The concourse is still just as tight and having food and napkins/sauces on opposite sides of the rink are terrible. Once you get food you have to cross the red sea of people to get condiments.

 

3. Traffic flow: sitting in a center section its hard entering and exiting the lower level with ease given the tight areas at center ice seating. Also exiting the arena even with the small crowd of maybe 2K (still more than the wolfpack lol) was hard.

 

Bottom line this arena still has issues for large scale events like sold out concerts, exhibition games and potential **ture NHL regular season games. HD ribbon boards and scoreboard are great as well as the fresh paint but its not enough. Bottom line hartford needs a new arena for uconn hockey **ture NHL and concerts if its wants to be competitive. I will continue to support hockey in hartford but honestly ill take mohegan sun's set up and space over the XL even with the upgrades. I know they are throwing more money into the XL but i don't see how they cam make it more roomier and fix the issues above.

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Plans for a new arena are one thing, but actually building it is something else. With the state suddenly crying poor again, (right after the election, what a coincidence...), financing a $400 million arena for an AHL team that no one likes is unthinkable. Construction of a new arena must be dependent on a new NHL team coming to Hartford. The XL is good enough for anything else.

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p4277 wrote:'Plans for a new arena are one thing, but actually building it is something...financing a $400 million arena for an AHL team that no one likes is unthinkable. Construction of a new arena must be dependent on a new NHL team coming to Hartford. The XL is good enough for anything else."

 

All of this true.

 

However there's a big difference between 1997 & 2014. Back then the Civic Center was 22, while now it's nearly 40 & much more outdated that it was even 20 years ago. Of course that's not a new point, but it's still important.

 

Thing is even if the NHL never comes back, it's obvious to all that it still needs to be replaced within 5-10 years regardless. Not only is there the Mohegan Sun arena, but western M***** is getting ready to significantly step up its game (No pun intended).

 

If it's not, forget Hartford being laughed at as nothing more than a stopover between NY & Boston; it'll be laughed at as being nothing more than a stopover between Uncasville & Springfield. As a capital, it'll be Montpelier with more insurance but without the scenery.

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Other than the NHL, (or NBA), what events cannot be held at the XL Center? Concerts, circuses, trade shows, UConn basketball and hockey, etc., will all continue to use the building. Just being 40 years old shouldn't mean that the arena needs to be replaced. Fenway Park is 102 years old and still hosts Major League Baseball. As long as the building is structurally sound, it can be maintained and used indefinitely. Saying that Hartford will be laughed at for having an old arena is hardly a reason to spend hundreds of millions of dollars that the state doesn't have. It would be far more laughable to see 1,700 people in a new state-of-the-art 18,000 seat arena watching the baby Rangers.

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If I have to tell you the difference between fenway park and the civic center we may be here all day. Oh and fenway just had a 10 year total restoration . So it's not exactly 102 years old. The civic center just got a 35 million refresh and all the sinks in the men's room weren't **nctional on opening night.

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p4277 wrote:"Just being 40 years old shouldn't mean that the arena needs to be replaced. Fenway Park is 102 years old and still hosts Major League Baseball."

 

There's no comparison at all between the XL & Fenway. While it holds other events, Fenway almost exclusively exists to serve the Boston Red Sox, who are never going anywhere. It hasn't been replaced because there's no place to put an MLB stadium in that area. Fenway's also steeped in tradition & has undergone m*****ive renovations to improve its revenue stream in recent years; not just a $35 million band-aid.

 

Fenway is also just one of a thousand forms of major league/first cl***** entertainment/educational options provided year-round in Boston. And Boston doesn't face major competition for entertainment dollars from southern New Hampshire & the Atlantic Ocean.

 

In Boston, there are limitless options for things to do on any day of any year. In Hartford, you can get burgers & watch AHL hockey or the occasional NCAA game. Or go to Hartford Stage, a concert &/or the Mark Twain House once or twice a year.

 

And when Springfield builds their casino, there'll be even less reason to go to Hartford. And when that casino adds its own arena even less than that, as entertainers continue to byp***** the XL for better facilities that are still close enough to draw people from Hartford County.

 

20 years ago the powers that be could still kick the can down the road; nowadays though there is a lot less road for that can to travel. For once in decades, Hartford really needs to be proactive.

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Can't compare historic places like Fenway to stale, cold-war era buildings like the XL. Tons of people go to Fenway regardless of how good the Sox are specifically to take in the history and go back in time, we call those people "pinkhats." Meanwhile people and events stay away from the XL because of the lack of amenities and inconvenience of the concourses,bathrooms etc. Like Hymh said Fenway sells itself with history and only hosts the rare non-baseball event due to its deep history and charm while the XL has to sell itself by putting itself above other venues which it currently does not. The threat of losing events should scare politicians into building a new venue just as much as the promise and hope of new events and tenants.

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Yes I know there are huge differences between Fenway and the XL Center. I brought it up only because people seem to think that one of the major problems with the XL is that it's 40 years old. Buildings can last for a lot longer than that. It will require maintenance and upgrades, but that makes a lot more sense than a new $400 million arena. In addition to it's age, the complaints I'm hearing are that the bathrooms are too small and the concourses are too narrow. Those are issues, but not serious enough to warrant a new building, IMO.

 

As far as I know, the XL is the second largest indoor venue in New England. Only Boston's TD Garden is larger, right? Concerts and other acts aren't going to byp***** Hartford because of the age of the building or because the bathrooms are crowded.

 

As far as Springfield's casino is concerned, that's a different customer base than the XL Center caters to. So replacing the XL Center with another similar building won't do much to counter what Springfield is doing. Mohegan Sun and Foxwoods are going to be hurt far more than Hartford by the new casinos in M*****.

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p4277 wrote:

 

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> As far as I know, the XL is the second largest indoor venue in New England.

> Only Boston's TD Garden is larger, right? Concerts and other acts aren't

> going to byp***** Hartford because of the age of the building or because the

> bathrooms are crowded.

 

Bathrooms aren't the end all be all but when they are bad for a crowd of 2,000 on a tuesday its concerning what they would look like for 17K for a sold out concert or **ture NHL game. And please don't compare fenway to the XL as a yanks fan who goes once a year the Red sox invested millions to save that place and really turn it around completely front to back the XL isn't even close.

 

They are already byp*****ing hartford its been happening for years to go to mohegan sun

 

Bruce springsteen did 2 shows to end his latest tour this spring at Mohegan Sun

Country acts like Eric Church did 2 shows at Mohegan sun on the latest winter tour not hartford

Big acts like Kiss Dave Matthews Band (winter tour 2012), Jay Z, Rush, the Who, Luke Bryan and countless others have byp*****ed the XL center and did shows at mohegan

 

Hartford had summer concerts on lock with the Xfinity Theatre (known as the meadows) But as far as winter events and summer indoor Tours Mohegan is kicking butt

 

Womens ACC Championship and high school championships at Mohegan (Mens ACC bball tourney is only at XL as a last resort)

 

Yes there has been the fleetwood mac show and a few other shows like Carrie Underwood at the XL but most big acts have not done shows in Hartford

 

I work in the ticketing/entertainment industry and have noticed everything moving to Mohegan over the years. I support Hartford I am rooting for Hartford. But the reality is we have to do better.

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P42"s points are on the mark. The Fenway comparision was not a good one, but the continued use of the XL should be fine for many years to come. The cliche "Build it and they will come" is just that, a cliche. Yes I'm a political liberal, but that doesn't mean that we frivolously spend $ on wild adventures that are not based on facts. It sounds like most of what's left on this board have come back to earth or they are on the way. Love to rub metoo's nose in his BS beliefs and his naming the HABS "Has beens". What an embarr*****ment this immature idiot is to this site.

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To be clear with the money they spent renovating fenway they could have built a new stadium in another location. There were other factors at play, such the availability of land to develop, the publics desire to keep the team in its current location, the fact that the park itself is considered a landmark. etc.. either way the fact that fenway was renovated was in no way a cost saving measure. The XL is outdated and cannot compete with other buildings in the region . It is at the end of its life cycle.

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The other thing is as far as concerts and most college sports games seat capacity doesn't matter. As a matter of fact if the XL was smaller it would get more concerts and have a more intimidating feel for road teams.

 

To an artist selling out Mohegan and having the fans on top of you is better than getting more heads in the venue and them being **rther away. Many success**l acts that do stadium or large scale tours by spring and summer are doing smaller casinos and 12K arenas by winter to have a more intimate show. Plus despite the lack of seats as a MSG or TD Garden they upcharge the cost per seat to make back what they could have done if not more due to higher prices. And there are people in both Boston and New York that would rather make a casino trip/freeparking/better view at a show at Mohegan than going to the New York or Boston show where its more of a h*****le to take the train in or park.

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Too bad your not at the end of your cycle. The XL can't compete with other buildings?? For what purpose? NHL hockey, NBA. It's perfectly fine for it's present use. College sports, minor league pro hockey and yes even big draw concerts. Support what is there now and probably for many decades ahead.

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There is more to it than seating capacity. There's the lack of premium seating sections, narrow concourse that lack space to sell food and merchandise, the lack of sufficient restrooms (forget about sinks and paper towel dispensers that work), and the fact that the building doesn't flow well when there's 3500 actual people in it , forget 16000. Sure as a minor league or regular collage building I guess it will get you by. When does the business and political community of this state get together to build a venue worthy of ncaa champions and major league hockey.

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top cat wrote:

> Too bad your not at the end of your cycle. The XL can't compete with other

> buildings?? For what purpose? NHL hockey, NBA. It's perfectly fine for

> it's present use. College sports, minor league pro hockey and yes even big

> draw concerts. Support what is there now and probably for many decades

> ahead.

Thanks for the well thought out, articulate, cl*****y response. Thanks for all you bring to this board.

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Well If your goal is to keep Hartford the way it is than yes go ahead and save 150 million, renovate the XL and keep the current tenants happy for another 20 years. Or double down and build a new building that can expose Hartford to events and possible major league tenants. A prime example is Seattle and Key Arena, they opted to renovate using the existing footprint and foundation than 10 years later it's deemed obsolete once again.

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will5059 wrote:

> There is more to it than seating capacity. There's the lack of premium

> seating sections, narrow concourse that lack space to sell food and

> merchandise, the lack of sufficient restrooms (forget about sinks and paper

> towel dispensers that work), and the fact that the building doesn't flow

> well when there's 3500 actual people in it , forget 16000. Sure as a minor

> league or regular collage building I guess it will get you by. When does

> the business and political community of this state get together to build a

> venue worthy of ncaa champions and major league hockey.

 

I get it, the bathrooms and walkways are too small. Is that really worth $400 million? As far as the sinks and towel dispensers not working, I can't help but think that should have been addressed as part of the $35 million renovation. If these people can't spend $35 million responsibly, do we really want them spending $400 million?

 

As for events going to Mohegan Sun instead of the XL, what are the reasons for this? Did they get a better deal there? Did the location make a difference? Being in the middle of the city is a major pain in the butt as far as I'm concerned. Hartford is a bit closer than Mohegan Sun for me, but all else being equal, I'd rather go to Mohegan. There are a lot of other things to do before or after the event, driving is a lot easier, and parking is free. A new arena in Hartford won't change any of that.

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p4277 wrote:"As far as Springfield's casino is concerned, that's a different customer base than the XL Center caters to. So replacing the XL Center with another similar building won't do much to counter what Springfield is doing. Mohegan Sun and Foxwoods are going to be hurt far more than Hartford by the new casinos in M*****."

 

This seems to be a conflicting statement. We're talking about Hartford & Hartford County. Many of the casino-goers here drive down to Ledyard & Uncasville for the simple reason that that's where they are. If a comparable casino is built in Springfield, which is much easier for Hartford-area residents to get to, why wouldn't they start going to the more convenient one instead? Central-northern Connecticut doing exactly that would be the very reason for the impact to the existing casinos that you mentioned above.

 

p4277 wrote:"I get it, the bathrooms and walkways are too small. Is that really worth $400 million?"

 

By itself, no. But several on this board have already explained why it's more than just that.

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HYMH, the several and that's all there is on this board think what? Blow 150 to 170 mil on a building for who and what?? When there was sellouts for the whale I had no problem getting to a urinal no matter how many brewskies. so the concourse is narrow and crowded between periods, that merits 155 million? Then we have plaineville the world famous architect who thinks building on "The same footprint" is a good idea. Not only is it not a good idea, it's not possible. Yes the same type of tenants will be there. Go ahead and piss that kind of money away, but "THEY STILL WON"T COME" J------e------s------u-----s ! I hope the city politicians aren't as gullible. I'm 100% sure nobody is that stupid.

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top cat wrote:

> HYMH, the several and that's all there is on this board think what? Blow

> 150 to 170 mil on a building for who and what?? When there was sellouts for

> the whale I had no problem getting to a urinal no matter how many

> brewskies. so the concourse is narrow and crowded between periods, that

> merits 155 million? Then we have plaineville the world famous architect

> who thinks building on "The same footprint" is a good idea. Not

> only is it not a good idea, it's not possible. Yes the same type of tenants

> will be there. Go ahead and piss that kind of money away, but "THEY

> STILL WON"T COME" J------e------s------u-----s ! I hope the city

> politicians aren't as gullible. I'm 100% sure nobody is that stupid.

 

If you read my post I said Seattle built using the same footprint and now they don't have a suitable arena. I know you haven't been in school since the stock market crash but you should still remember how to read.

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IT isn't happening period the end. No team so no new facility. I don't know if you took your math courses at UConn, but One Plus One gives you TWO. A team being One will beget a facility that's the other One will be a total package that's the TWO. So explain to the few of us left just how you could fit a 16,000 to 17,000 seat arena on that footprint using the same ice rink. Also where would they play while they tear down the old and after a few years of that they start to build. I know engineering has come a long way but........... Finally, how's it going to be financed with no NHL team in the wings. I guess you didn't take philosophy 101 either which teaches logic. My advice lay off the metoo juice.

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You are a miserable person TOPCAT with nothing better to do with your time. Why don't you go enjoy the great outdoors of Vermont and spend less time on your computer arguing with everyone and telling us how great the Habs and catamounts are. FYI the Habs will not win another one for decades.

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