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No question, it will not be an easy road...but as Howard Sr. told members of the Booster Club a couple of years ago, Hartford can be "the solution to a problem". The NHL has a problem, they have a team without a home. Hartford can be that solution. 12 months ago, we were not really in position to be a solution to a problem. Now, we are.

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I think this team is still playing in Glendale/Arizona next year, which is good news for us.

 

If we can hurry up and get the renovations on the XLC started the NHL returning to Hartford becomes a true possibility, not hope and wishes.

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If I were governor right now, I would fly out to Glendale right now with a case **ll of money and talk to the owner. Bring Howard Sr. and hartford mayor too

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Whaler 11 wrote:

> If I were governor right now, I would fly out to Glendale right now with a

> case **ll of money and talk to the owner. Bring Howard Sr. and hartford

> mayor too

 

Really? You want the state to buy a team? Where would this money come from? Considering how the state does things, can you imagine how much tickets would cost?

 

I'd like to think that the governor has more important things to do, like talking GE out of leaving the state...

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Whalerdude11086 wrote:

> MarkH2919 wrote:

> > No question, it will not be an easy road...but as Howard Sr. told members

> > of the Booster Club a couple of years ago, Hartford can be "the

> > solution to a problem".

>

> I totally agree just as long as Howard isn't part of that solution. Don't get me

> wrong, I admire the man for his p*****ion. But his continuous financial diffculties

> wouldn't be a good fit in this equation. I personally felt let down when those

> financial difficulties forced MSG to severe ties with him . I get that AEG/MSG

> "screwed him over", but he didn't have to sign that lease...... :|

 

Calm down there Chachi, I was just using a phrase he told us at the BC meeting.

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I beleive in Howard, and he got screwed by msg and aeg, plain and simple.. If those monopolies were interested in making Hartford a better place they would have stepped up but instead they didn't, they kept shutting us down

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A solution to a problem.....hmmmmmmm

 

 

Apparently their is a rumor going around about using the arena in Vegas for a one year bridge to an expansion team.

 

I don't think they can keep putting that franchise in limbo

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MarkH2919 wrote:

> Well, here is an interesting development...

>

> A buddy of mine just told me that he heard on WTIC this morning that there

> is a special session for the legislature to take up bills they missed as

> well as bonding. That means the commission will need to meet so they will

> take up all bonding measures before then, and these sessions have to be

> done by July 1.

>

> I had heard through various sources that the XL renovations would be

> bonded, but the CRDA wouldn't ask for the bonds until next year. I wonder

> if the info from last night has caused them to move up their timetable a

> bit.

>

> Stay tuned...this is starting to get really good...

 

Possibly related? : http://www.occupydemocrats.com/pres-obama-calls-for-ending-taxpayer-**nded-sports-stadiums/

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Whalevolution wrote:

> A solution to a problem.....hmmmmmmm

>

>

> Apparently their is a rumor going around about using the arena in Vegas for

> a one year bridge to an expansion team.

>

> I don't think they can keep putting that franchise in limbo

 

Using which arena in Vegas? There are 3, of the 3, two are attached to casinos, and the 3rd is on the campus of UNLV and is similar to Key Arena in Seattle and Barclays Center in Brooklyn, meaning they're built for basketball, not hockey.

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MarkH2919 wrote:

 

>

> Using which arena in Vegas? There are 3, of the 3, two are attached to casinos, and

> the 3rd is on the campus of UNLV and is similar to Key Arena in Seattle and Barclays

> Center in Brooklyn, meaning they're built for basketball, not hockey.

 

This is one the many options being floated as a solution to the Coyotes problem. I believe they were talking about the arena attached to the MGM Grand. It's certainly not ideal, but would only be for one year. Better than the Whalercanes playing in Greensboro for two seasons before moving to Raleigh.

 

What bothers me is that there are rumors about all kinds of ways to deal with the Coyotes' problem, including lots of other cities, but not one mention of Hartford. This is the exact type of 'problem' that Hartford is supposed to be a 'solution' for, and we are not even on the radar.

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There is no mention of Hartford. There never seems to be a mention of Hartford.

 

That said, until the MTS Center in Winnipeg was finished, there was no mention of Winnipeg either.

 

Now, the difference is our renovated building isn't done...it hasn't been started. But if the NHL is willing to let a team play in Seattle in an arena with sightlines for basketball and not hockey, and if the NHL is willing to let a team move to a basketball-specific facility in Brooklyn...then why wouldn't the NHL let a team play in the existing XL Center, as bad as it is, and have the building renovated around them, like MSG was for the Rangers and Knicks?

 

Also to note: There are 500 million reasons why the BOG is not going to be happy with the Coyotes moving to Vegas. Just saying.

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Yes, when the MTS Center was opened, Winnipeg became a destination, but it was still a couple of years before the Thrashers became the Jets. But Winnipeg was ready to be the solution to that problem.

 

As far as the expansion fee in Vegas is concerned, they could get that from Quebec City. The situation in Phoenix needs an immediate remedy. If the team needs to move, there's not much time to get a lot done before next season starts.

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MarkH2919 wrote:

> Whalevolution wrote:

> > A solution to a problem.....hmmmmmmm

> >

> >

> > Apparently their is a rumor going around about using the arena in Vegas for

> > a one year bridge to an expansion team.

> >

> > I don't think they can keep putting that franchise in limbo

>

> Using which arena in Vegas? There are 3, of the 3, two are attached to casinos, and

> the 3rd is on the campus of UNLV and is similar to Key Arena in Seattle and Barclays

> Center in Brooklyn, meaning they're built for basketball, not hockey.

 

This one which has hosted preseason NHL games

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/MGM_Grand_Garden_Arena

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MarkH2919 wrote:

> But they could move somewhere without having to lose that $500M fee for

> Vegas.

 

Yes, and Portland seems to be a real alternative. Paul Allen is said to want an NHL team, but not at the price they are asking for expansion teams. If he can get a team cheaper, it solves the Phoenix issue, keeps the team in the west, and provides a natural rivalry for Seattle when they get a team.

 

Seen in that light, Portland looks even better than Quebec.

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Whalevolution wrote:

> MarkH2919 wrote:

> > Whalevolution wrote:

> > > A solution to a problem.....hmmmmmmm

> > >

> > >

> > > Apparently their is a rumor going around about using the arena in Vegas for

> > > a one year bridge to an expansion team.

> > >

> > > I don't think they can keep putting that franchise in limbo

> >

> > Using which arena in Vegas? There are 3, of the 3, two are attached to casinos,

> and

> > the 3rd is on the campus of UNLV and is similar to Key Arena in Seattle and

> Barclays

> > Center in Brooklyn, meaning they're built for basketball, not hockey.

>

> This one which has hosted preseason NHL games

> https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/MGM_Grand_Garden_Arena

 

OK. Attached to a casino where sports betting is legal. Interesting.

 

Think about how much money the NHL has lost on the Phoenix/Arizona Coyotes. They owned the team for 4 seasons, incurring huge losses, now, they stand to lose an estimated $500M if they move the team to Vegas. Yes, they could get that money from somewhere else, I do realize that...but Vegas was a done deal for expansion.

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p4277 wrote:

> MarkH2919 wrote:

> > But they could move somewhere without having to lose that $500M fee for

> > Vegas.

>

> Yes, and Portland seems to be a real alternative. Paul Allen is said to want an NHL

> team, but not at the price they are asking for expansion teams. If he can get a team

> cheaper, it solves the Phoenix issue, keeps the team in the west, and provides a

> natural rivalry for Seattle when they get a team.

>

> Seen in that light, Portland looks even better than Quebec.

 

You're missing one tiny little detail. In your scenario, Paul Allen would buy the team, right? What makes you think the Coyotes owners want to sell, they just bought the team like 18 months ago.

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MarkH2919 wrote:

> You're missing one tiny little detail. In your scenario, Paul Allen would buy the

> team, right? What makes you think the Coyotes owners want to sell, they just bought

> the team like 18 months ago.

 

That's true. But in this situation, all options are open. Rumors are flying in every direction and details are hard to come by. The league is under a severe time crunch to resolve the Coyotes issue ASAP so preparations can be made for the upcoming season. If Portland is seen as a solution, the NHL could broker a deal moving the team now under current ownership and transferring ownership to Allen and let the current owners buy into another team down the road. That's just one option of dozens. Another is using the downtown arena in Phoenix, sharing it with the NBA Suns, and getting Phoenix to build a new, more suitable arena that the Suns and Coyotes would share.

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p4277 wrote:

> MarkH2919 wrote:

> > You're missing one tiny little detail. In your scenario, Paul Allen would buy

> the

> > team, right? What makes you think the Coyotes owners want to sell, they just

> bought

> > the team like 18 months ago.

>

> That's true. But in this situation, all options are open. Rumors are flying in

> every direction and details are hard to come by. The league is under a severe time

> crunch to resolve the Coyotes issue ASAP so preparations can be made for the upcoming

> season. If Portland is seen as a solution, the NHL could broker a deal moving the

> team now under current ownership and transferring ownership to Allen and let the

> current owners buy into another team down the road. That's just one option of

> dozens. Another is using the downtown arena in Phoenix, sharing it with the NBA

> Suns, and getting Phoenix to build a new, more suitable arena that the Suns and

> Coyotes would share.

 

If the Coyotes aren't close to profitable after receiving all revenue streams AND a $15M annual subsidy in Glendale how can they make it work in Pheonix were they would get a fraction of that? Bunking with the Suns would only be a very temporary solution.

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Whaleofatime wrote:

>

> If the Coyotes aren't close to profitable after receiving all revenue streams AND a

> $15M annual subsidy in Glendale how can they make it work in Pheonix were they would

> get a fraction of that? Bunking with the Suns would only be a very temporary

> solution.

 

Again, I'm not saying this will happen. It's one possibility out of many that has been thrown around. But from what I have heard, one of the major problems with the Coyotes is the location of the arena. It's apparently out in the middle of nowhere and hard to get to for a lot of people in the Phoenix area. Would this solve their problems? I have no idea, but all options are on the table right now. Except for Hartford, unfortunately.

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