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He asked if anyone could validate the article, not whether or not the were a beliver. When a report or rumor comes by that has something in it we can actually sink out teeth into I gladly get all jazzed up again. An arena study from last February was a great start but it's been over a year and I've yet to hear of an ownership group and an attempt for **nding won't come this year. The nacho vendor at the XL is batting .000 over the last 5 years with his inside info that makes its way on this board. Not getting my hopes up again until there is reason to. While we at it if anyone wants to give me a rational explanation as to why it didn't have to be a secret that Winnipeg was putting together a group and arena with the end goal of the NHL and Quebec and Vegas don't have to keep their intentions a secret but Hartford is sworn to secrecy?

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Will, I agree with you and held back my emotions as well.. But this time feels different with all the peices coming out at various times.. The article dos say they hired the architect for the plans, that was a direct quote from Freimuth.also, Vegas and Quebec were the only two cities that out forth a bid out of 16 cities that were invited to do so, also, Hartford was also invited to out a bid in but chose not to because of the hefty price tag.. No on to Winnipeg, the group was made public but we did not know Atlanta was movjng there till the last minute.. So we know that there have been some kind of negotiations going on because Malloy, Freimuth, have said so and there was a study done by an nhl approved company to determine that 1 Hartford is capable of housing an nhl team and 2, nhl approved architects were hired now to continue forward. I have to be a little optimistic, at least up to my waist.

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"The nacho vendor at the XL is batting .000 over the last 5 years with his inside info that makes its way on this board."

 

It's the little snarky remarks like this one that will make me gloat like a champ when this all comes out.

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While there was a intentional amount of snark in that line be honest with yourself and tell me it's not the truth. I've been reading this message board since it was on the booster club website however many years ago. There have been a parade sure things and "in the next 5 years" scenarios. The affiliate swap with the Islanders didn't happen. Arizona just bought the Falcons to move them to Tucson today apparently. Sorry , it doesn't add up. If the kind of unsubstantiated horse-***** that gets thrown around this board was posted on the B.o.H section of HfBOARDS they'd laugh you out of the room. I'm all ears if anyone has a rational response to my position. Still waiting for an explanation as to why Hartford is this guarded secret that Winnipeg, Vegas and Quebec arent. I'm down for a debate and would love to be proven wrong.

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Look, I'm not looking for an argument with anyone. I still don't see how the Coyotes staying in Arizona makes any sense, considering the money they've lost over 20 years there, considering they still have no arena to play in after next year, and considering that a new arena for them is, at the very, very least, 4-5 years away, if it happens at all.

 

It doesn't make sense. Now, if you want to tell me the Falcons sale has been in the works for a while...OK, I can believe that. But, then to say that they're going to "hope to move them to Tucson" for the 2016/17 season? When the parent club is only committed legally to stay there for one year? Sorry, that makes no sense at all. At least as of right now.

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We're not arguing Mark. We're talking, debating. That's what message boards are for. I'm still waiting for an explanation as to why you feel Hartford has to be kept secret while the 3 cities I mentioned do not.

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I ponted out the difference to you will, vehas and Quebec put in bids for expansion, 16 cities were invited and Hartford Es one of them.. As for Winnipeg the investors were made public but the team wasn't..

 

Here's my question, explain why the state hired an nhl approved architect to get the ball rolling on the xl..

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" I'm still waiting for an explanation as to why you feel Hartford has to be kept secret while the 3 cities I mentioned do not."

 

Let's go back to June of 2014. Josh Solomon announces that the then New Britain Rock Cats will be moving 11-12 miles away to a brand new ballpark in Hartford. The deal was a "secret" deal between Solomon and then mayor Pedro Segarra. If that deal was in the public, do you honestly think it would have gotten done? The backlash would have been incredible, as it was, the backlash, and that deal cost Segarra the election.

 

If this was out in the open that Hartford is actively trying to land the NHL...the backlash would be amazing, especially considering the budget situation.

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There's a lot of good arguments from both sides of this debate. Mark has made all very valid points obviously some things he cannot discuss in terms of sources and stuff, but I can say that I totally understand where the optimism comes from, especially if the source he has spoken to is a person he knows to be reliable (I don't know the source so I can't make that type of judgement).

 

My whole thing is that if Arizona is simply smokescreening, it's one gigantic f@(k!ng he!! Of a smokescreen. Like Arizona is doing Smokescreen 9000 over there in the West puttin smoke on top of smoke.

 

Either way, I will always play Devil's Advocate for the sake of looking at things from other perspectives, but in the back of my head I remain VERY cautiously hope**l.

 

Announcement of Arizona looms one way or another sometime soo. So we will see.

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jerseydiehardwhaler wrote:

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> http://www.azcentral.com/story/opinion/op-ed/ej-montini/2016/04/19/montini-phoenix-suns-arizona-diamondbacks-phoenix-coyotes-downtown-arena/83237094/

>

> And then there's this

 

I mean, that's good and all, but it's one person's editorial wasn't there a similar one about the XL Center by some idiot not too long ago?

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I keep saying it. It doesn't add up. And it doesn't.

 

The Arizona Coyotes have no arena lease after 2017. That's not speculation, that is fact. The arena that they are in until 6/30/2017, is one where they have already had a lease terminated by the city of Glendale. Needless to say, the two sides don't exactly sit at a table and sing Kumbaya. Oh, and as an added bonus, the new building manager is AEG, who as we here in Hartford know, are much more interested in having concerts than having hockey, NHL or AHL. They own the Kings, that's really about all the hockey interest they want to deal with at this point.

 

The Phoenix Suns are on record saying they would prefer not to share an arena with the Coyotes, thereby sharing revenue streams like naming rights, ticket sales for not team related events, etc.

 

The state of Arizona has two major league facilities right now. And now, there is talk of a 3rd? Who's going to pay for it? Yes, there are reports the Coyotes would contribute $100M towards it, but a new building costs...4-5 times that much, at the very least. And, there is also the little matter that a new building...from square one, which is basically where they are...is, at the very, very least, 4-5 years away, and that's if the voters approve it, which is no sure thing.

 

On top of all of this, there is also no guarantee at all that the arena in Tucson can even be ready in time for the 2016/17 season. The arena, per reports, needs roughly $8M in improvements for it to meet AHL standards. Who's picking up that check?

 

So...yeah, it's easy to say "Oh, they bought the Falcons, they're staying in Arizona". It's really easy. But man oh man do the pieces not add up at all.

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Plainville, AHL teams are extremely portable as we witnessed in the California migration. Once they go to Tuscon they can be uprooted just as quickly as they move there. This doesn't prove anything in terms of commitment because it takes practically no capital to relocate an AHL team but they likely want that to be the public perception so they can use it as a bargaining chip in negotiations over the arena.

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Whaleofatime is right, however, it makes no sense to announce the Coyotes are buying the Falcons (and I'll use their exact words from the press release) "with the hope of moving the team to Tucson, Arizona for the 2016/2017 season, unless something is really hot out there (no pun intended) in regards to a deal.

 

So...I don't know what the he!! to believe anymore. It's downright maddening, to be honest with you. :?

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MarkH2919 wrote:

> Oh, and as an added bonus, the new building manager is AEG, who

> as we here in Hartford know, are much more interested in having concerts

> than having hockey, NHL or AHL. They own the Kings, that's really about

> all the hockey interest they want to deal with at this point.

Aeg is 50% owner and sales agent of new T-mobile arena in las vegas that was designed to host Nhl team and is planned arena of Nhl expansion team that Foley is trying to bring to las vegas. most of arenas that Aeg manages or owns have pro hockey teams playing in them. look at Aeg website. at&t center and barclays center and citizens business bank arena and consol energy center infinite energy arena and maverik center and prudential center and rabobank arena and staples center and us bank arena and valley view casino center all have pro hockey playing in them. Aeg owns los angeles kings and ontario reign and manchester monarchs and pro hockey teams in berlin and hamburg over in germany. Aeg has interest in hockey i would say.

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MarkH2919 wrote:

> Whaleofatime is right, however, it makes no sense to announce the Coyotes

> are buying the Falcons (and I'll use their exact words from the press

> release) "with the hope of moving the team to Tucson, Arizona for the

> 2016/2017 season, unless something is really hot out there (no pun

> intended) in regards to a deal.

>

> So...I don't know what the he!! to believe anymore. It's downright

> maddening, to be honest with you. :?

 

Well let's look at it this way: The NHL is clearly transitioning into having every parent club own it's respective affiliate. So in the short term it's good for the Coyotes, it makes them appear committed which could potentially help play a role in arena talks and they would have their affiliate 2 hours away (if they do move) but if they're sold off the new ownership in a new city will now own the AHL team too and be freed up to move the team wherever they want.

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I'm not hearing a good enough reason to explain the purchase of the Falcons and why on earth would such efforts be made to make this all a smokescreen? Smokescreen from what exactly? The arena study from Feb 2015 had for the new XL to house the teams and events it currently does with the ability to upgrade the building for I believe 25 million to NHL standards. If the money was really there and earmarked (as some on this board claim) then it would be moving foward. It is not dependent on the NHL, that was listed as a possible benifit. In a few weeks there is either going to be an announcement of a new arena somewhere in Arizona or this team moves to Vegas. Their expansion spot will be held for the one city the league actually covets in Seattle. I have no sources. That's just what I think makes sense. Will see if I'm right in a month or two. Great back and forth on this issue guys. This kind of debate is **n and educational.

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Vegas will be expansion. There's no reason not to be. Who knows, maybe Arizona is buying the AHL team because they are moving to Hartford. Doesn't make sense to buy the team since they're already there but what the heck.

 

Mark I think Hartford got played again. They need to build the damn arena. Then we'll be on the map at least.

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glothelegend wrote:

> Mark I think Hartford got played again. They need to build the damn arena.

> Then we'll be on the map at least.

 

Unfortunately, I agree. We're getting played. Markets like Hartford and Quebec are valuable to the NHL and it's troubled franchises as leverage for bailouts, new arenas, tax breaks or whatever the team owners say they need in order to remain in Arizona, Florida, Carolina, etc.

 

And spending $250 million to fix up the XL Center without an NHL team committing to play here is irresponsible. That's too much money just to "be on the map".

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p4277 wrote:

> glothelegend wrote:

> > Mark I think Hartford got played again. They need to build the damn arena.

> > Then we'll be on the map at least.

>

> Unfortunately, I agree. We're getting played. Markets like Hartford and Quebec are

> valuable to the NHL and it's troubled franchises as leverage for bailouts, new

> arenas, tax breaks or whatever the team owners say they need in order to remain in

> Arizona, Florida, Carolina, etc.

>

> And spending $250 million to fix up the XL Center without an NHL team committing to

> play here is irresponsible. That's too much money just to "be on the map".

 

If it's being bonded in the way that I've heard it can be, AND if there is really private investment coming then I still think it would be worth it. I would guess things might move fast for Hartford in terms of attracting an NHL (plus it needs to be done for Uconn).

Heard a rumor somewhere that they may put some money into it this summer but not anything you can see.

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MarkH2919 wrote:

 

> So...I don't know what the he!! to believe anymore. It's downright

> maddening, to be honest with you. :?

 

As much as I dislike calling people out with all due respect aren't you confident in your sources?

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Again, how on earth does one come to the conclusion that the Coyotes are purchasing the Falcons to move them to Hartford? I swear no matter what the headline is and what is actually written in the articles there are people who will walk away from the article saying that said team is actually planning a secret move to Hartford. As far as the XL renovations go there is still the issue that UCONN plays in an inferior conference and the current building , if we are to listen to the people in charge, losses money and can't effectively host the current tenants and shows it has. $250 million is a lot of money, but an empty hole could be costly in other ways. The report said the NHL features would cost like 25 million. Let some **ture team pay for that and become a partner with UCONN, who is already planned on being a partner IIRC.

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