TimmyFromBoosters

XL Center Renovations approved in Committee, right on time

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Gov Malloy said on WNPR's We are live that a brand new Xl center would cost 750 mil to over 1billion for as the Gov says one of the OLDEST arenas is the country, so for all the people against it what would rather spend????

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Timmy is correct I confirmed with the CRDA that currently the scale back is MONEY only the plan remains intact.

 

Now during the Legislature talks on the budget they could scale back the plan but at this point the original plan remains intact and the NHL dream lives.

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Timmy was also correct regarding the tax tally...

 

"This Monday or Tuesday is going to be a key date, I just heard from ex-coworkers that it has been 2 weeks since state taxes were due and enough time has gone by in those 2 weeks for the mail to deliver the taxes to Hartford and for the mail to be opened and inputted, the State is going to provide an updated tax tally for what was collected and that will be announced on Monday or Tuesday."

 

In today's Courant...

 

http://www.courant.com/politics/hc-consensus-revenue-update-20170501-story.html

 

"Later Monday, officials are expected to release the consensus revenue estimates, a set of key numbers needed to craft the budget. Those numbers will reflect the sub-par April 15 income tax collections, which showed that the tax collections were down by at least $450 million."

 

Looks like Timmy is right on this also....again, might be time for Will (and the other NN's out there) to start taking him seriously.

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I'll take you seriously Mark, but only when you come up with a better nickname for me than "negative nancy". What about Timmy am I supposed to take seriously? His call for an NHL relocation to Hartford in June? Arguing over semantics of what was scaled back, money or the scope of the project? Whether or not the Whalers are an expansion team in a video game means anything more than that? Bottom line, to me at least, is that Malloy wasn't able to provide state leaders with enough reason to believe that an NHL return is in the immediate **ture and the project was given less **nds initially than he wanted. At the very least you can be happy that the building will not be imploded.

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"I'll take you seriously Mark, but only when you come up with a better nickname for me than "negative nancy".

 

I usually just call you a$$hole. If you'd rather have that nickname, no problem.

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MarkH2919 wrote:

> "I'll take you seriously Mark, but only when you come up with a better

> nickname for me than "negative nancy".

>

> I usually just call you a$$hole. If you'd rather have that nickname, no

> problem.

You're adorable Mark.

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Hey, don't get mad at me, you're the one that served up the batting practice fastball.

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I mean taxes and Plan not being scaled back is great but hardly means

That an NHL announcement is imminent.

 

Gun to my head I would say it's not happening. But I don't know for sure.

 

Keep in mind that the CRDA also said that "the arena plan" still could face a scale back so nothing is sealed or set in stone.

 

We're gonna have to hope and wait

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Take this with a grain of salt but there's been a working theory for sometime that the NHL has allowed EA sports to bring back the Whalers culture. Slowly, three years ago it started with the logo returning then re-locating a team to Hartford and now we can make Hartford and expansion team.

 

The theory is that the NHL is keeping it fresh and educating the fans to where and what theHartford market is.

 

Now that maybe a Bigfoot type theory I don't know but that is the theory some have told me.

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Whalevolution wrote:

> Take this with a grain of salt but there's been a working theory for

> sometime that the NHL has allowed EA sports to bring back the Whalers

> culture. Slowly, three years ago it started with the logo returning then

> re-locating a team to Hartford and now we can make Hartford and expansion

> team.

>

> The theory is that the NHL is keeping it fresh and educating the fans to

> where and what theHartford market is.

>

> Now that maybe a Bigfoot type theory I don't know but that is the theory

> some have told me.

 

Some people also had a similar theory when Marty Howe had on a Whalers jersey during the Macy's Thanksgiving Day Parade a couple of years ago.

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Didn't Marty only play for the Whalers when it comes to NHL teams? That was cool though seeing both of them knowing both played for Hartford too

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More continued fallout from the false Courant story, with the story landing in the paper just hours before the Bridgeport mayor filed papers in Hartford to open a campaign for Governor. The word on the street is that the story was seen on the front page by Ganim's people, and immediately Ganim's people late last week asked for the money to instead be spent on the Webster Arena and Bluefish baseball park as they thought that it was official that the XL renovation was drastically scaled down in size freeing up money for other projects, due to the false Courant story. Another Ganim idea is to turn the Bridgeport baseball park into an equivalent of the XFinity/Meadows music theatre, and have that be built before the Election next year. Ganim's plan is he needs to be the candidate from Downstate Connecticut, and he needs to distance himself from Lembo, of Guilford, also running for Governor. Ganim is also good friends with Trump, Ganim attended Trump's wedding, Ganim wants things built in Bridgeport and Ganim may also be befriending Fasano (from North Haven), and Fasano the Republican would rather see things built down near him in the Haven/Bridgeport area as opposed to the Hartford area. Fasano, head of the republicans in the senate, has the power to put a stop to the entire XL renovation if he gets the other members behind him and he will be taking that measure. The Courant will not report anything about the late breaking Bridgeport developments, from everything I now hear, there won't be a dime spent on the XL center. Terrible time to run that false story........ and the Courant now running a longshot story to save face, reporting the East Windsor casino could forge a **nding relationship to help out the XL, it would take at least 4 years before the casino could be built and open, and with a new casino in Springfield, there won't be anywhere near enough revenue in East Windsor to support the XL upgrades, Courant is making things worse by reporting more false stuff.

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Whalevolution wrote:

> Didn't Marty only play for the Whalers when it comes to NHL teams? That

> was cool though seeing both of them knowing both played for Hartford too

 

He played a **ll season for the Bruins at the end of his career, which explains the Bruins scarf he had on...but the Whalers jersey and hat were definitely prominent.

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Hey Timmy great reporting as usual. I was just con**sed by this line. you said terrible time to run a false story right after you say they won't spend a dime on XL center. are hearing the **nding is dead? or Bridgeport will not see the money? keep up the great work

 

 

 

TimmyFromBoosters wrote:

 

> Courant will not report anything about the late breaking Bridgeport

> developments, from everything I now hear, there won't be a dime spent on

> the XL center. Terrible time to run that false story.

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Who gives a $ h i t what Mark or Marty wore. Does warring Whaler stuff mean that the NHL is coming back? This board is past silly. Just a reminder: I did state several times that a NHL return is possible and I wish that it would happen But it's not likely. Some time back I asked if there was any change in Hartford's population and its demographics. No answer or comments from any of you. I think that would be very important in evaluating Hartford as a NHL market. I think I read recently that the #s have decreased over the last decade. Remember all the talk on this sight mentioning UConn moving some of it's schools to Hartford? Apparently it did little in making the city more vibrant.

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I've already confirmed with the CRDA that the plan is NOT scaled back but the money is.

 

Like it or not Timmy was on the money about that one point.

 

The rest of it? I have major doubt but we'll see.

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I don't believe for one minute the "not a dime to the XL Center" stuff.

 

The rest of it? We'll wait and see.

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top cat wrote:

"Some time back I asked if there was any change in Hartford's population and its demographics. No answer or comments from any of you."

 

The population of Hartford, Greater Hartford area, and Connecticut as a whole have been declining for a long time now.

 

http://www.courant.com/business/hc-connecticut-population-20160519-story.html

http://www.courant.com/business/hc-census-population-hartford-20170324-story.html

http://www.courant.com/news/connecticut/hc-connecticut-population-fallingrecovered-wed-dec-21-105241-2016--20161220-story.html

http://www.courant.com/data-desk/hc-connecticuts-population-drops-again-20160204-htmlstory.html

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Whalevolution wrote:> Check out the "Knowledge Corridor"

Makes Greater Hartford as big as Denver and St. Louis

 

That depends on how you add up numbers. My Dad did some work on behalf of people pushing the "Knowledge Corridor" idea. My Dad supports promoting the "Knowledge corridor" but he said that numbers got **dged in putting the "Knowledge Corridor" promotional materials together. He didn't like that things were **dged and thought promo materials should have been more clear.

Basically the "Knowledge Corridor" covers the Hartford-West Hartford-East Hartford Metro Area and the Springfield metro area and the New Haven-Milford Metro area. According to US Census 2016 estimates those 3 metro areas have combined population of 2,693,994 people. That is less than both 2016 Denver/Aurora metro area population estimate of 2,853,077 and 2016 St. Louis, Mo-Il metro area population estimate of 2,807,002. So the 3 combined metro areas that are in "Knowledge Corridor" have close to the population of each of the individual Denver and St. Louis metro areas. Combined "Knowledge Corridor" 2016 estimated population would make "Knowledge Corridor" the #22 metro area, not # 20 like promo materials say.

 

Whalevolution wrote: And guess what your in it even in Vt.

 

Vermont is not in the "Knowledge Corridor". All areas of Vermont are within a 1-1/2 to 4 hour drive of the "Knowledge Corridor" but Vermont is not in the the "Knowledge Corridor" itself.

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Click the link you'll see they note an area inclusive within four hours of Hartford

 

Covers Maine to Pennsylvania/NJ

 

Peter Demallie is the guy we spoke to about it. I bet he would dispute that the numbers are off

 

From New Haven to the top of the M***** border is the core of the Knowledge Corridor and as I said it's being used to attract a major league tenant.

 

Bottom line it makes Hartford as big as Denver and St. Louis. They are saying it makes Greater Hartford the 20th largest market in the US.

 

 

You may not agree but let me be clear your beef would be with the website and not me.

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Are you guys forgetting that this so called corridor population is for the most part committed to Boston and greater NY teams and has been for many,many generations. So your pt is ??

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Whalevolution wrote: Click the link you'll see they note an area inclusive within four hours of Hartford

Covers Maine to Pennsylvania/NJ

The entire area inclusive within 4 hours of Hartford is not the "Knowledge Corridor". "Knowledge Corridor" is the oval area on the map that is shaded a slightly darker shade of green. If the "Knowledge Corridor" was the entire area inclusive within four hours of Hartford, than they wouldn't be claiming the "Knowledge Corridor" had a population of 2.77 million people comparable to Denver and St. Louis. If the "Kowledge Corridor" covered from Maine to Pennsylvania/NJ, then its population would be a **** of a lot bigger than 2.77 million people and much bigger than Denver and St. Louis.

 

Whalevolution wrote: Peter Demallie is the guy we spoke to about it. I bet he would dispute that the numbers are off

If you look at the US Census Bureau latest population estimates from 2016, the US Census bureau says the combined population of Hartford-West Hartford-East Hartford metro area and the New Haven-Milford metro area and Springfield metro area is 2,693,994 people. Using the same 2016 population estimates from the US Census bureau you find out that the Denver-Aurora metro area population is 2,853,077 and the St. Louis metro area population is 2,807,002. I will take the US Census Department info over Peter Demallie.

 

Whalevolution wrote: From New Haven to the top of the M***** border is the core of the Knowledge Corridor

From New Haven to the top of M***** border is not "core" of the Knowledge Corridor. It is the ENTIRE Knowledge Corridor. Maine, New Hampshire, Vermont, Central and Eastern and Southeastern M*****achusetts, New York, New Jersey, and Pennsylvania are not part of Knowledge Corridor. If Knowledge Corridor stretched from Maine to Pennsylvania it would have way more than 2.77 million people living in it. It would have way more than 215,000 students at 41 colleges in it.

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Whalevolution wrote: and as I said it's being used to attract a major league tenant.

Which is great, but the people promoting the Knowledge Corridor should get the facts straight to support their arguments.

 

Whalevolution wrote: Bottom line it makes Hartford as big as Denver and St. Louis. They are saying it makes Greater Hartford the 20th largest market in the US.

Bottom line they are wrong. According to the 2016 US Census population estimates, which were done in 2016, the Knowledge Corridor is ALMOST as big as the Denver metro area and almost as big as the St. Louis metro area. According to the 2016 US Census population estimates, the Knowledge Corridor would be the 22nd largest metro area in the US, just behind Baltimore-Columbia-Towson, MD metro area and just ahead of Charlotte-Concord-Gastonia, NC/SC metro area.

 

Whalevolution wrote: You may not agree but let me be clear your beef would be with the website and not me.

You introduced the Knowledge Corridor and the information on its website into the conversation. You mistakenly seem to be claiming that the "area inclusive within four hours of Hartford" is all part of the Knowledge corridor and that the area from New Haven to the top of the M***** border is the "core" of the Knowledge Corridor. Those claims are factually incorrect. The ENTIRE Knowledge Corridor is the area from New Haven to the top of the M***** border. The other states on the map are not part of the Knowledge Corridor at all.

 

I am really happy that people are pushing the idea of the Knowledge Corridor to promote the Springfield to Hartford to New Haven corridor. REALLY happy. It is a great idea. I just wish they would be more accurate in info they are giving out and that they would cite sources they use for info like population stats on their website.

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Yea I don't know where the numbers come from but it's a multistate initiative so a lot of hands in the basket

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