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Hartford City Councilman: Let's buy the Whalers back

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(Courant website top story, Friday afternoon)

 

Hartford city councilman John Gale:

 

Forbes Magazine says that the Carolina Hurricanes (our Hartford Whalers) National Hockey League franchise is worth $230 million. As the team has the lowest attendance in the league, this is likely an overstatement, but let's work with it. Hurricanes owner Peter Karmanos Jr. said earlier this year that he would entertain offers for his team. What if all 38 towns in the Capitol Region Council of Governments banded together to buy the franchise and brought it back to Hartford?

 

What if we could provide the region with an identity, a rallying point; what if there were a way to bring back the Whale and give it a built-in metro area base of support; and we did it all by regionally cooperating. Such cooperation would be key; we know that when the Whalers were here, not enough of the region was engaged and ticket sales were not robust enough to keep the team here.

 

Before you dismiss this as a quixotic dream, here's my plan.

 

Grand lists are representative of the respective wealth of each town. So, the 38 towns would each pay a portion of the purchase price of the Whalers hockey team based on their percentage of the total grand list of all 38 towns. So, for example, by my calculations, Wethersfield is 3.22 percent of the total and Tolland is 1.79 percent. Wethersfield would then pay $7.41 million toward the purchase price, while Tolland would pay $4.11 million. Looking at all the capital region towns, West Hartford, with the highest grand list, would pay $18.69 million, while Andover, with the lowest grand list, would pay $822,000. On a per capita basis, these four towns range from a low of $252 per person to a high of $296 per person. The average per capita cost for all 38 towns is $274 per person.

 

That's right, for a one time payment of $274 per person, we could all own the Whalers!

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John Gale's thoughts continued:

 

Profitable operations require support from the community. Because each town would have a stake in the outcome, one might expect each town, indeed each neighbor, to promote attendance. We would be using our entertainment dollars to invest in ourselves. Beyond any financial concerns, we would be investing in the emotional well-being of our community. We would all be in this together; we could all take pride in our Hartford Whalers. Green Bay, where the Packers NFL football team is publicly owned, would have nothing on us. And in the process, we would have advanced regionalism.

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That's an average of $274 per citizen in Hartford County as a one-time fee. If it opens up to statewide offer, it goes down to approximately $58 per citizen and if including Western M***** (Springfield area) it gets even lower. It'll never happen because it's too easy and makes to much sense. Nobody can see past their nose in this state.

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As we know, this proposal is old news, I mentioned the 40-town plan for regional **nding a few weeks back in another topic and this proposal was reported on quite a few months ago. The timing of this coming out on a Friday, after the Courant botched up the reporting last Thursday and Friday, appears to be to keep the Hartford area as being seen as more crucial than the Bridgeport area. Bridgeport is coming on strong, Mayor (**ture Governor) Ganim taped a WFSB interview last week, Mayor Ganim also returned from an overseas trip last week and Ganim was one of the few from Connecticut to attend President Trump's inauguration a few months back, and Ganim's friendship with Trump and both of their connections to building large developments. It was Trump who wanted to build the planet's largest ferris wheel in Bridgeport and Trump's plan not to build a casino in Bridgeport allowed that acreage to then be transformed into the Bluefish baseball stadium. It was last Friday that Ganim's people rushed in to ask for the XL Center money (that the Courant report falsely said would not be spent) to be shifted down to Bridgeport for major projects and possibly to turn the Bluefish baseball stadium into being razed and transformed into an outdoor music venue, such as the Meadows/Xfinity.

 

From everything I am hearing, all momentum has shifted to the Bridgeport area for **ture **nding, and this op-ed/report that the Courant put out today, which is a story that was reported on months ago, is an apology by the Courant to the Hartford area.

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As much as I think councilman Gale's plan is innovative outside the box thinking , it isn't going to happen. There are people who don't think state or city government should be in the arena owning business. How are you going to convince those people that state or city government should be in the sports franchise owning business? There are people complaining about state of Ct and Ct cities and towns cutting back on crucial services to residents. How are you going to explain to those people that state of Ct and Ct cities and towns don't have enough money to pay for services, but do have enough money to own a pro hockey team?

Plus, while this sounds like a sweet idea NHL bylaws don't allow public ownership of a team. My Dad says that idea was floated by a guy running for city council in glendale, arizona 4 or 5 years ago. Guy said it would be a good idea if fans bought the Coyotes. NHL stepped in and said that not-for-profit or any kind of public ownership of NHL teams was not allowed by NHL bylaws.

I mean, not even NFL allows it anymore. Packers are grandfathered in, but NFL changed bylaws in early 1960s to keep any other publicly owned team from being part of the NFL.

Pro sports leagues don't want their teams financial books open to public scrutiny. That's why they all want private team ownership. It drives NFL crazy that the Packers finances are open to public.

We need to find a REALLY wealthy private business person who wants to **nd bringing NHL team back to Hartford.

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I am not one who blindly hates Hartford. I want to see the city, and the state, make smart decisions that will help everyone. That being said it is a shame that this piece was written by a member of the Hartford City Council. It makes one wonder if the leaders of the city really are a bunch of morons.

 

Mr. Gale's laughably stupid plan can be sshot down with this one point: The ownership structure he proposes is not allowed by any of the four major leagues. Green Bay was already a community owned not-for-profit entity whose setup was grandfathered in when the NFL ownership policy was created in the 1980's (see their Wikipedia page). So regarding this issue alone the article was a waste of time.

 

He is dreaming if he thinks the towns would put up any money to buy a team that was not that popular to begin with. He makes the crazy *****umption that the residents of these towns would automatically become fans if they were forced into buying a team. Also you notice in the examples he does not say what Hartford's percentage of the purchase would be? Other towns are listed, why not his hometown?

 

It is crazy to think that with the financial situation of the state and the cities and towns that buying a hockey team is a good idea in any way. People are going to be fired. Schools are going to be closed. Services are going to be cut all over the state. But this idiot thinks "Buy a hockey team." Yeah that makes sense.

 

All in all it is just another silly idea. The NHL is not returning to Hartford. End of discussion.

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This article was written to get people talking. The pieces are falling into place. Good times are ahead.

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I like the sound of that BB!!!!

 

 

 

Mr. Br***** Bonanza wrote:

> This article was written to get people talking. The pieces are falling into

> place. Good times are ahead.

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VinceCT wrote:

> I am not one who blindly hates Hartford. I want to see the city, and the

> state, make smart decisions that will help everyone. That being said it is

> a shame that this piece was written by a member of the Hartford City

> Council. It makes one wonder if the leaders of the city really are a bunch

> of morons.

>

> Mr. Gale's laughably stupid plan can be sshot down with this one point: The

> ownership structure he proposes is not allowed by any of the four major

> leagues. Green Bay was already a community owned not-for-profit entity

> whose setup was grandfathered in when the NFL ownership policy was created

> in the 1980's (see their Wikipedia page). So regarding this issue alone the

> article was a waste of time.

>

> He is dreaming if he thinks the towns would put up any money to buy a team

> that was not that popular to begin with. He makes the crazy *****umption that

> the residents of these towns would automatically become fans if they were

> forced into buying a team. Also you notice in the examples he does not say

> what Hartford's percentage of the purchase would be? Other towns are

> listed, why not his hometown?

>

> It is crazy to think that with the financial situation of the state and the

> cities and towns that buying a hockey team is a good idea in any way.

> People are going to be fired. Schools are going to be closed. Services are

> going to be cut all over the state. But this idiot thinks "Buy a

> hockey team." Yeah that makes sense.

>

> All in all it is just another silly idea. The NHL is not returning to

> Hartford. End of discussion.

 

Remember when you said we can't worry about the Whalers because we're in a drought? You are the Queen of silly story's.

 

You have to get out there Vinny find the facts. You can't convince us by having a consensus with your self for the last 7 years.

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Vince is also the one that said the NHL would never return to Winnipeg. And we all know how that turned out.

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What a joke of an article. Again when an ownership group get a team back to hartford i will be one of the first to buy a ticket plan. But this is laughable. The Canes are valued at the number given but the asking price would be much more than that. Just a Councilman looking for headlines creating a story to create short term buzz.

 

I am all for true upgrades and or rebuilding the XL at an affordable price which is happening. But as far as getting a team back an Owner or Ownership group needs to front the money. Because politicians can hardly balance our state and local budgets let alone buying a team and managing it correctly.

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Evo do think Karmanos will ever come down on his asking price of 400mil or so? Or do u think Bettman will force him to?

 

 

Whalevolution wrote:

> Green Bay of Hockey eh Vince?

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Seeing as how Bettman works for the owners he will always seek to push the bar higher with franchise values. By charging $500 million as an expansion fee they push the going rate higher. Karmonos is not out of line by asking $400 million. This $230 mil. number being floated around would gladly be beaten by a couple hundred million by the actual ownership group in Quebec. Protecting franchise values is probably the most important thing Bettman does. I would be shocked if we ever see a team sold for less than $400 million. Just my 2 cents.

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brettg1313 wrote:

> Evo do think Karmanos will ever come down on his asking price of 400mil or so? Or do

> u think Bettman will force him to?

>

>

> Whalevolution wrote:

> > Green Bay of Hockey eh Vince?

 

Absolutley he is going to need to come down into the 200M range. No one is paying that much for NHL let alone Carolina.

 

The thing is, how bitter will he be if the team ends back up where he moved them from. He may take up the price for any Hartford buyer

He knows it would look bad on his Hockey Legacy Talk about a Fail

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If the goal of this article was to get people talking, like Mr. Br***** said well it worked. A Lot of people are commenting and talking bout it on the courant Facebook post!!!

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Since February

Malloy's letter to Islanders

Bronin's tweet for Carolina to return

Councilmans Gale's proposal

 

Two scenarios out of who knows how many

 

There's something potentially huge for Hartford regarding a Whaler planned return

 

Or

 

They want support for the XL remodel and hanging the NHL carrot gets more headlines than saying modernize the XL for College and Concerts.

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Whalevolution wrote: They want support for the XL remodel and hanging the NHL carrot gets more headlines than saying modernize the XL for College and Concerts.

 

This.

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Whalevolution wrote: There's something potentially huge for Hartford regarding a Whaler planned return

 

I am believe this is what is happening

 

I have seen many clues over the past few months that something happening quietly. The letter, Bettman and lawyers visiting, the mayors tweet to Carolina. None of us knew Atlanta was moving to Winnipeg until they did. Our leaders are trying to give hints without actually saying it. Like Mr. BB says things are falling into place and I believe him. If i'm wrong and nothing happens so be it. i'm a fan and damit I believe they are going to come back someday soon. I think we all need to channel our energy on being the Brigade and getting our team back instead of wasting energy arguing over stupid stuff. I see a lot of that on here!!!! We need to seize this moment!!

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If you take a breath, look at the forest for the trees, think outside the box a little bit, it's ridiculously obvious what's going on.

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>>>Remember when you said we can't worry about the Whalers because we're in a drought? You are the Queen of silly story's.<<<

 

I see you have combined homophobia with lousy spelling. Well done?!?! As for your point I think that expending our brainpower and money managing our natural resources during a time of anthropogenic climate change is more important than a hockey arena for a team that is not showing up.

 

Many of the other comments on this thread reinforce a point I made long ago: Pixar should have your imaginations. The leaps in logic you guys are making are going to blow out your knees. But why should you folks start making sense now. Dream on folks.

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brettg1313 wrote:

> Whalevolution wrote: There's something potentially huge for Hartford

>

> I am believe this is what is happening

 

You are correct, sir.

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VinceCT wrote:

> >>>Remember when you said we can't worry about the Whalers because we're in

> a drought? You are the Queen of silly story's.<<<

>

> I see you have combined homophobia with lousy spelling. Well done?!?! As for your

> point I think that expending our brainpower and money managing our natural resources

> during a time of anthropogenic climate change is more important than a hockey arena

> for a team that is not showing up.

>

> Many of the other comments on this thread reinforce a point I made long ago: Pixar

> should have your imaginations. The leaps in logic you guys are making are going to

> blow out your knees. But why should you folks start making sense now. Dream on folks.

 

No it just means you got second place there is a King of silly stories. At least I gave you something to shoot for.

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Oh please the John Gale thing is never happening.

 

That's just a "Gee what a great idea"

 

 

NHL doesn't allow this type of stuff.

 

 

And obviously keep in mind that nothing at all could happen.

 

The story just good publicity, my point is if the Whalers are never coming back why are three public officials making overtures to make it happen????

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