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24 minutes ago, TrueHartfordHockeyFan said:

Seattle isn't a "major city" and isn't a "sports town". Now, I know how stupid you really are. Thank you for posting this and your post about "governor Bronin". Let's start with Seattle Sports,  shall we. They have three of the five major professional sports franchises in North America, the Seahawks (NFL), the Mariners (MLB), and the Sounders (MLS) that bring in between 30,000 to 50,000 people a game. They use to have the Sonics as well and they left because the new owner of the team wanted the city to build him a new arena. He actually was willing to pay the $45 million to break the lease just to get out of having to pay to build his own arena in Seattle. Most people think he only did that because he wanted to move the team to begin with but didn't want to say that was his plan. That's not Seattle's fault. 

Now, on to it not being a "major city". Seattle is home to Microsoft, Amazon, T-Mobile, AT&T, Starbucks, Nordstrom, and many other Fortune 500 companies. The people get around the city by car, bus, train, and even boat to get to their high paying jobs. The population of Seattle is around 700,000 (six times larger than Hartford), and it's metro- population is close to 4 million (three times more than Hartford's and twice as big as the "Knowledge Corridor").

I actually agree with you on all counts here, and you did it without taking a swipe at Hartford. Notice how Frank starts talking about Hartford being major league and then mentions the Yard Goats. Hel lo?

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2 hours ago, MarkH2919 said:

And they're STILL a year away from even breaking ground on the renovation...a lot can happen in a year.

So we're actually at $75M, aren't we?  And in truth, that number is closer to $80M, because of the work done this past summer to do the ice plant and piping under the arena floor, plus purchase of new dasher boards, gla$$, etc.  

We know there are a bunch of franchises that have serious financial issues and/or serious arena problems.  We also know that Hartford has a NHL ready ice surface, a building that has a renovation plan, and a market of over 1.7M people in the Knowledge Corridor that is larger than several markets that already have NHL teams.  So we have the pieces...we just need the one piece...which, arguably, is the most important one...to put it all together.

A lot sure can happen in a year. This year Oak View Group managed to unveil a privately **nded $600 million renovation of Key Arena, introduce billionaire David Bonderman and millionaire Jerry Bruckheimer as partners in venture who would own a potential NHL team in Seattle, convince Seattle City Council to approve a memorandum of understanding authorizing the renovation 7 to 1, and get Seattle Mayor Durkan to say she looked forward to reviewing and signing memorandum later this week. 

And nearly $80 million in improvements to XL Center sounds impressive until you realize that what Governor Malloy wanted by now was $290 million to be spent to improve the building. So XL Center reno **nding is $210 million short of where the state's top politician and biggest champion of the renovation wanted it to be at this point. We need another $210 million of **nding if we want the XL Center to get all the benefits of the **ll renovation plan. Otherwise, the nearly $80 million in **nding we're at will be like putting lipstick on pig and our NHL ready ice surface will be in a less than top caliber building.

We also need a private partner to definitely bring NHL team here and to maybe even be a partner in owning and running the XL Center. We need politicians in state legislature who really support renovating XL Center to NHL caliber and really support trying to get NHL team to move here. We need a governor to replace lame-duck Malloy who really supports renovating XL Center to NHL caliber and really supports trying to get NHL team to move here. None of that is a sure thing, Mark. I would like it to be, but it isn't.  

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10 minutes ago, WhalerChad said:


1)We also need a private partner to definitely bring NHL team here and to maybe even be a partner in owning and running the XL Center.

2)We need politicians in state legislature who really support renovating XL Center to NHL caliber and really support trying to get NHL team to move here.

3)We need a governor to replace lame-duck Malloy who really supports renovating XL Center to NHL caliber and really supports trying to get NHL team to move here. None of that is a sure thing, Mark. I would like it to be, but it isn't.  

 

 

1) DONE. Governor Malloy has already confirmed that there are numerous rich private partners with deep pockets.

2) DONE. Politicians in State Legislature just voted to give another $40 Million to renovate XL Center.

3) DONE.  Mayor Luke Bronin is favored to be the next Governor, he has actively sought to bring the NHL to Hartford.

It is all a sure thing.

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4 hours ago, WhalerCentral said:

Chad, Seattle does not have an NHL team, there is no interest in Seattle for a hockey team, Seattle is not a major city to the extent that Hartford is and the impact we have on Insurance and Financial, Hartford has already shown we can manage having the NHL and providing a home for the NHL all star game, Seattle has not shown any of those characteristics, Seattle might be a music town, but it is not a sports town.  Hartford just had its baseball team, the Yard Goats, listed as the baseball franchise of the year, there were sellout games almost every week of the season.

Um,  I think they make a little thing in Seattle they call a Boeing jet airliner there. There's more ***** going on in Seattle than Hartford, sports related or business. They also got major junior hockey there.

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Meanwhile, at the edge of town, poor little Timmy lies in the ditch, wondering if L*****ie will come rescue him and his pet hamster, who has been diagnosed with fleas, before the dam upstream breaks its walls and water comes rushing to sweep them away along with all the freshly planted crops for the new season!!

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58 minutes ago, radcon said:

Um,  I think they make a little thing in Seattle they call a Boeing jet airliner there. There's more ***** going on in Seattle than Hartford, sports related or business. They also got major junior hockey there.

I think they make a little thing in East Hartford they call a Pratt and Whitney PW4000 turbo fan engine, which makes the Boeing 777 get off the ground.  Anyone can make the windshield and seats and beverage cart, the jet engine is far more difficult and more important.

Hartford > Seattle

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Comparing Hartford to Seattle is a waste of time.  Both have pluses, both have minuses.  But Seattle is absolutely a major city, to say otherwise is a little silly.

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Seattle also has two little things called outdoor major league teams. You're talking about 90 games that can draw around 40,000 on average. Shall we compare that to the Wolf Pack and UConn basketball at the former Civic Center?

I love Hartford and will defend it with my last breath, but get real. Comparing the two markets in relation to hockey as one thing, but as major league cities? Stop sniffing the glue, man.

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2 hours ago, WhalerCentral said:

Conclusion: Seattle is not getting a team, it is not a hockey city.

In 1917, Seattle did something that Hartford and few other cities couldn't. So, you might want to do some research.

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11 minutes ago, TrueHartfordHockeyFan said:

In 1917, Seattle did something that Hartford and few other cities couldn't. So, you might want to do some research.

So what this translates to is Seattle did something in 1917 that most cities could do, but that Hartford and a few other cities could not. What was that?

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13 minutes ago, Mr. Br***** Bonanza said:

So what this translates to is Seattle did something in 1917 that most cities could do, but that Hartford and a few other cities could not. What was that?

They won the Stanley Cup. Actually, Seattle is the first US city to win it, ever.

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What is going on behind the scenes between the Governor, Mayor, NHL, and the rich Hartford investors will put a team in Hartford before 2020, there is no evidence pointing to Seattle ever getting a team.  If the NHL wanted a team in Seattle, they could have put a team in Seattle at any point during the past 35 years, it is Hartford that has the new ice sheet and it is Hartford that has the Governor and Mayor actively petitioning NHL teams to move here.

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33 minutes ago, TrueHartfordHockeyFan said:

They won the Stanley Cup. Actually, Seattle is the first US city to win it, ever.

 It lets not forget they were not part of the nhl when they won.. so not to fast liar and do some research yourself before you dismiss Hartford again,Hartford hater

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"What is going on behind the scenes between the Governor, Mayor, NHL, and the rich Hartford investors will put a team in Hartford before 2020"

This I believe.

"there is no evidence pointing to Seattle ever getting a team.  If the NHL wanted a team in Seattle, they could have put a team in Seattle at any point during the past 35 years"

Well, that's not really true.  There's plenty of evidence that says Seattle will at least be in the running for a team.  Also, if Seattle had a better building, the NHL would have moved a team there a long time ago.  This will not be the first renovation to KeyArena...the building (originally called the Seattle Center Coliseum) sat about 13500 for hockey and about 14,800 or so for the Sonics, the prime tenant.  In the early 1990s, the Sonics had to play a year in Tacoma while the first set of renovations were completed, which in truth turned the arena solely into a basketball arena, and increasing the capacity to 17,000.  The hockey capacity, mostly because of all the obstructed view seats caused by the renovation, was reduced to about 10,000 or so, making it unsuitable even for temporary NHL use.

 

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54 minutes ago, jerseydiehardwhaler said:

They did win a Stanley Cup, but they weren’t part of the nhl, they were in they pchl, hence liars comparison to Hartford was yet again another failed attempt to bring the whale down..that’s what I was referring to.

The Seattle Metropolitans played in the PCHA, not PCHL. PCHA was the Pacific Coast Hockey *****ociation and it was a major league of pro ice hockey that was on the same level as the National Hockey *****ociation and National Hockey League. The owners of the National Hockey *****ociation Montreal Canadiens, Montreal Wanderers, Ottawa Senators and Quebec Bulldogs suspended the NHA at the end of 1916/1917 season and started the National Hockey League for 1917/1918 season.
PCHA Seattle Metropolitans played for Stanley Cup three times. They played against the NHA Montreal Canadiens in 1917, against NHL Montreal Canadiens in 1919 and against NHL Ottawa Senators in 1920. Seattle won the Stanley Cup in 1917. Seattle was tied 2-2-1 with Montreal in the 1919 Stanley Cup series when the series was suspended because of the flu outbreak. Then Seattle lost the Stanley Cup in 1920.
The PCHL was a minor league hockey league that the Seattle Metropolitans were not in.       

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Of course, there is no comparison to 1917 Seattle and 2017 Seattle. There was a time Hartford was the wealthiest city in the nation and the #1 spot for people to move to and do business in. To say Hartford is a hot spot today because of that is ludicrous.

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"YEs mark I do agree they won the cup but not from the nhl.."

Jersey, at that time, more than one professional league competed for the Cup.  You can't knock Seattle because of that, they were only playing by the rules.

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Seattle's best days are long behind it, basketball and hockey left the town and they are not coming back.  The city that is seeing an expansion of its sporting teams is Hartford, a new baseball stadium, a new soccer stadium is coming, and its hockey arena has a new ice sheet.

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26 minutes ago, WhalerCentral said:

Seattle's best days are long behind it, basketball and hockey left the town and they are not coming back.  The city that is seeing an expansion of its sporting teams is Hartford, a new baseball stadium, a new soccer stadium is coming, and its hockey arena has a new ice sheet.

Seattle had remodeled and updated their football/soccer stadium and their baseball stadium is the least few years, are spending $600 million in private **nds to upgrade their hockey/basketball arena. You have no idea what you're talking about at all.

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