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Is WP1998 that much of a schmuck? There are facts laced throughout the article and then the writers bases his opinions on those facts.

 

Anyway, any renovations done for UConn hockey goes hand-in-hand with renovations we would want to see for the NHL. It's a win-win...a better building and a better hockey experience.

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They should do something comparable to the $80 million renovations that took place at the Dunkin Donuts Center in Providence. It would probably be a tad more expensive considering the XL Center is larger, but if Providence did that for the P-Bruins and Providence basketball there's no reason not to do something similar here considering the XL is home to 4 tennants vs. 2 in the Whale, UConn Hockey and UConn basketball.

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It says if calculated for inflation in 2012 it would have been $86 mil in 2012 dollars, maybe Howard's $105 estimate wasn't that far off. Keep in mind the Dunk is relatively close to the XL Center in terms of capacity.

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Howard's $105 million included the stuff in the atrium...the Hard Rock Cafe...a team store (which is necessary anyway), stuff like that.

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The XL Center is fine, it handled the Whalers and attendances of 15,000 fine, it has handled UConn basketball and attendances of 16,000 fine, it handled the WolfPack Calder Cup games with attendances of 12,000+ and it handled the WolfPack's last game with an attendance of 7,300.... it wasn't until Baldwin showed up with his attendances of 1500 to 2000 people that suddenly the finger started to be pointed at the XL Center and that the building is the problem. I love when people bring up the bathroom situation, people go out camping and hunting and enjoy that as a vacation and there are no bathrooms out there, but suddenly the exact width of the concourse and the width of the sinks in the bathroom at the XL Center are a problem, even though they were able to accommodate 10,000 people for years on end. I am just so sick of Howard and his excuses, luckily though, Reebok got sick of his excuses also and now Baldwin was thrown out of the city. Baldwin and the Whale were the problem, not the XL Center.

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Whalerguy wrote :

> The Dunk is about a 1/3 of the size of the XL Whaleofatime. The place

> holds about 10,000. Not very close.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunkin%27_Donuts_Center

 

12,000 for hockey

12,500 for basketball

 

Unless the the XL Center has 15,000 seats in the place I didn't know about there's no way it's only "1/3 of the size". The XL Center is 20% larger hence why it will probably take another $25-30 mil. So, yes, pretty similar.

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WolfpackFan1998 wrote :

> The XL Center is fine, it handled the Whalers and attendances of 15,000

> fine, it has handled UConn basketball and attendances of 16,000 fine, it

> handled the WolfPack Calder Cup games with attendances of 12,000+ and it

> handled the WolfPack's last game with an attendance of 7,300.... it wasn't

> until Baldwin showed up with his attendances of 1500 to 2000 people that

> suddenly the finger started to be pointed at the XL Center and that the

> building is the problem. I love when people bring up the bathroom

> situation, people go out camping and hunting and enjoy that as a vacation

> and there are no bathrooms out there, but suddenly the exact width of the

> concourse and the width of the sinks in the bathroom at the XL Center are a

> problem, even though they were able to accommodate 10,000 people for years

> on end. I am just so sick of Howard and his excuses, luckily though,

> Reebok got sick of his excuses also and now Baldwin was thrown out of the

> city. Baldwin and the Whale were the problem, not the XL Center.

 

:roll::roll:

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it wasn't

> until Baldwin showed up with his attendances of 1500 to 2000 people that

> suddenly the finger started to be pointed at the XL Center and that the

> building is the problem. I love when people bring up the bathroom

> situation, people go out camping and hunting and enjoy that as a vacation

> and there are no bathrooms out there, but suddenly the exact width of the

> concourse and the width of the sinks in the bathroom at the XL Center are a

> problem, even though they were able to accommodate 10,000 people for years

> on end. I am just so sick of Howard and his excuses, luckily though,

> Reebok got sick of his excuses also and now Baldwin was thrown out of the

> city. Baldwin and the Whale were the problem, not the XL Center.

 

The recent aritcle about using privately **nded money to update the XL Center, which is why the NHL left Hartford, has nothing to do with Howard Baldwin at all.

 

We get that you dont like Howard Baldwin the Wolf Pack slayer. If I loved the Wolf Pack brand I wouldnt like him either but even I dont spew hate about Peter Karmanos 24/7 and I have much more reason too than you because your TEAM is still here.

 

You just turned your back on them, NO one can respect that.

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Whalerguy wrote :

> Sorry Whale, I didn't know that 3500 seats was a tiny difference?

 

Did I say that? All I said was the XL Center isn't 3 times larger as you stated. If anything it's 20-25% larger so it might be an easier comparison vs. say the Madison Square Garden renos.

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WolfpackFan1998 wrote :

> The XL Center is fine, it handled the Whalers and attendances of 15,000

> fine, it has handled UConn basketball and attendances of 16,000 fine, it

> handled the WolfPack Calder Cup games with attendances of 12,000+ and it

> handled the WolfPack's last game with an attendance of 7,300.... it wasn't

> until Baldwin showed up with his attendances of 1500 to 2000 people that

> suddenly the finger started to be pointed at the XL Center and that the

> building is the problem. I love when people bring up the bathroom

> situation, people go out camping and hunting and enjoy that as a vacation

> and there are no bathrooms out there, but suddenly the exact width of the

> concourse and the width of the sinks in the bathroom at the XL Center are a

> problem, even though they were able to accommodate 10,000 people for years

> on end. I am just so sick of Howard and his excuses, luckily though,

> Reebok got sick of his excuses also and now Baldwin was thrown out of the

> city. Baldwin and the Whale were the problem, not the XL Center.

 

I really think you need to go on the show of Dr Phil and talk out why you were dropped at birth. Maybe the cord was wrapped around for too long. But you seriously need to medication or help!!!

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PhillyFan wrote :

> WolfpackFan1998 wrote :

> > The XL Center is fine, it handled the Whalers and attendances of 15,000

> > fine, it has handled UConn basketball and attendances of 16,000 fine, it

> > handled the WolfPack Calder Cup games with attendances of 12,000+ and it

> > handled the WolfPack's last game with an attendance of 7,300.... it wasn't

> > until Baldwin showed up with his attendances of 1500 to 2000 people that

> > suddenly the finger started to be pointed at the XL Center and that the

> > building is the problem. I love when people bring up the bathroom

> > situation, people go out camping and hunting and enjoy that as a vacation

> > and there are no bathrooms out there, but suddenly the exact width of the

> > concourse and the width of the sinks in the bathroom at the XL Center are a

> > problem, even though they were able to accommodate 10,000 people for years

> > on end. I am just so sick of Howard and his excuses, luckily though,

> > Reebok got sick of his excuses also and now Baldwin was thrown out of the

> > city. Baldwin and the Whale were the problem, not the XL Center.

>

> I really think you need to go on the show of Dr Phil and talk out why you were

> dropped at birth. Maybe the cord was wrapped around for too long. But you seriously

> need to medication or help!!!

 

and this is exactly the attention wpfan98 wants, if you don't like his posts as most of us don't, don't respond to them.

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Whaleofatime, lets argue. There isn't enough of that on this board, so lets just go back and forth all day long because I'm bored as ****. I don't give a rats crapper about the size of the dunkin donuts center vs the XL Center. You win buddy. I surrender

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Whalerguy wrote :

> Whaleofatime, lets argue. There isn't enough of that on this board, so

> lets just go back and forth all day long because I'm bored as *****. I

> don't give a rats crapper about the size of the dunkin donuts center vs the

> XL Center. You win buddy. I surrender

 

Not trying to argue here Guy, just trying to spur some conversation since this is the topic at hand. I was just marveling at how nice the DDC looks after the recent renovation and was simply using it as a jumping off point to get a sense of what the XL Center could do with $100 mil. If Providence can do it when they only have 2 tennants, there's no reason Hartford can't get the same treatment. Let me clarify. I Wasn't trying to argue, I was just trying to correct you, sorry if you misunderstood. I don't give a "rats crapper" about the size either I was just trying to find some similar situations with other arenas around the country and the DDC is a good comparison, is all.

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WolfPackFan1998 does speak for the average Hartford Wolf Pack fan. If we want to hear what those 20 people think, we should respect his opinion.

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Providence is actually interesting in that they are in a sense a combo of what we had and we can have. There is a huge shopping mall (Providence Place) which is a wildly success**l updated version of what we had in the Civic Center Mall as well as the DDC, which isn't as nice as the XL could be with renovation. The key differences seem to be that Providence draws 10000 and up for a Sunday game as opposed to our 3K and also that suburban residents in RI don't avoid downtown Providence like the plague the way people here do about Hartford.

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